Talk:Fight Records

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What's going on with this page? Why is everything listed twice? --Brasswatchman 23:48, 25 March 2006 (EST)

• Never mind. It's fixed. --Brasswatchman 02:01, 26 March 2006 (EST)

[edit] Most Contestants Dispatched By A Single Contestant

I can understand why Rodney Leonard Stubbs has the top spot on the most dispatched list, but did Young Jude Surrency really take out more than 586 fighters single handedly? I know he went after the weak folks on Day 1, but still -- that's a whole lotta people. Should we consider bumping him to 3rd, and shouldn't we list his count? (Obviously we won't list Rodney's. Like any of us could count that high.) Understand, I'm okay with Surrency holding 2nd. I'm just a bit surprised.--Eric Burns 06:53, 26 March 2006 (EST)

We already know that The Man With The Blood On His Hands "personally killed or maimed 2,796 men with his bare hand, 25 with clods of dirt, and 1 with a beer bottle." [1]. Young Jude Surrency might not have gone for "the weakest" per se - his age gave him, at least at first, the element of surprise. After a while people start to purposefully avoid facing a man in a Dutch fugue, until absolutely necessary. I'm sure the age factor still gave Surrency an excellent psychological advantage over the younger and probably more overconfident competitors. --AlanSharkey 04:00, 27 March 2006 (EST)

I agree with this. On the other hand, however, we know that Brown actually took out 586 single handedly. The implication here is that Surrency's count is between 2,796 and 586. I think it would be best to actually know it, given that. (Especially since the terribleness of Brown's Fugue is largely based on the volume of his victims). Also, it's been explicitly stated that Surrency's early count was largely built up by his taking out the weak fighters first. Unless I'm insane and remembering things that never happened, which is possible. --Eric Burns 09:08, 27 March 2006 (EST)

What is recorded only notes that Young Jude Surrency took out a lot of fighters because they didn't think he'd be up to much due to his age, and the martial arts also took fighters by surprise. They might have been weak. However, smart though he might be, Surrency doesn't strike me as the man who'd deliberately take the easy route through the Fight.

And what do you know, I just came across a figure in one of Wilton Rowley's excellent tomes. --AlanSharkey 12:34, 27 March 2006 (EST)

Unless somebody's changed what I originally wrote, Jude's record was for the era before Stubbs, so Brown's numbers are wholly irrelevant. Surrency did not necessarily eliminate more contestants than Brown, he just eliminated more people than anybody before 1933 and for the period of 1934-1972. As far as eliminating largely weak opponents go, some were, but it was mainly whoever got in his way. Tom Chaney was just as strong as "Gimps" McBane and he wasn't even one of Ned's better fighters. Same for Elroy MacHorn.

Finally, as far as numbers go, the omission of a specific number of eliminations was deliberate. Builds more mystique that way. --Ubiq

On another note: Do we have an explanation why nobody seem to have won more than once, despite several champions returning to the GOF? Or can people change the names of some of the undescribed champions?